CDM Review
Introduction
Initially, I had thought that we would settle the issue at the meeting held on
15 January 1999. However, the group wanted to study the matter further and
Robert had "volunteered" to find out more details. But to date, he has
done almost nothing.
Any way, I have asked Elaine to extend the dateline for us. This she has done
but asks that we be as quick as possible.
As not all of you managed to read my proposals fully, I have decided to put
it up here for everyone to read and comment.
(NB:- The numbering is rather messed up and I don't have the time to correct
it. Therefore, you'll have to refer to each section by their titles.)
Contents
Comments on New Charge Description
Master (CDM)
(Anaesthetic Department)
(13 January 1999)
After some discussion among the anaesthetists, the following are the points
that we would like to bring up for further consideration.
- Codes in Current CDM, Now Omitted
Several codes that were present in the current CDM have been omitted from the
new CDM. These include
- Endotracheal Intubation
All the old codes for endotracheal intubation have been replaced by codes
13857, 13870, 130879 and 13882. However, these new codes appear to assume
that endotracheal intubation is always followed by subsequent ventilation
and management in Intensive Care Unit (ICU) which is not necessarily true in
every case.
We propose that there should be two codes for endotracheal intubation.
- One for intubation which was not particularly difficult, and
- Another for intubation which was more difficult than normal, perhaps
requiring special procedures or equipment such as the flexible
fibreoptic laryngoscope.
These codes would be particularly useful, for example,
- for cases intubated and subsequently transferred to another hospital,
- where the patient expired, or,
- where intubation was only for suctioning.
- Regional Blocks
While many new codes have been added, the deletion of the current codes for
major regional blocks (748 and 752) leaves something to be desired as there
will be no code for blocks done other than for post-operative pain relief or
therapeutic reasons. Specifically, there is no code for regional blocks done
purely for pain relief not related to surgery. Perhaps these two codes
should be reinstated.
- Miscellaneous Codes Commonly Used in the
Wards/ICU
There do not appear to be any corresponding codes for the following
procedures listed in the current CDM.
- 895: Umbilical vein catheterisation
- 897: Umbilical artery catheterisation
- 899: Scalp vein catheterisation
- 907: Blood, by femoral or external jugular vein puncture
- 917: Restoration of cardiac rhythm by electrical stimulation
- 927: Insertion of intravenous line-percutaneous
- 929: Insertion of intravenous line-by open exposure
- 932: Intravenous - infusion or injection of a substance
- 934: Intraarterial - infusion or injection of a substance
- 954: Venesection
These codes are often used by us and should not be discarded. We propose
that they be reinstated.
- Relevancy of Codes in New CDM
There are many new codes for regional and field blocks but we note that many
of these codes have minimal application. We question the rationale for this
when many more relevant codes have not been included.
There is, also, disagreement on the implementation of "package
charges" such as those mentioned in codes 13870 and 13873. Each
individual case is different and it would be most inequitable to charge
everyone the same regardless of how difficult the case is. It is best for the
physician to charge for each procedure performed so that the complexity of the
case is reflected in the charge. If the physician feels that the total charge
would then be too high, he is at freedom to charge at lower Code Classes, such
as code D or code E, or even to omit some codes if he is so inclined.
- Proposed New Codes Not in Either
Current or New CDM
- Cardio-Pulmonary Resuscitation (CPR)
While there is now a code for CPR in newborns (245), this was mainly meant
for use by Paediatricians who were called in to standby in patients
undergoing lower segment Caesarean section (LSCS). There is no corresponding
CPR code for use in adults. This is necessary as CPR obviously entails much
more time, energy and risk than in the usual consultations or visits.
Further, such calls often occur in the wee hours of the morning.
- Patient Controlled Analgesia (PCA)
There should be a code for this as once this has been initiated, the
anaesthetist concerned will be responsible for it and it normally lasts
about 48 hours. While post-operative pain relief using epidural and spinal
has a new code, there is none for PCA and this anomaly should be addressed.
- Epidural in Patients in Labour
Currently, these procedures are linked to the delivery charge of the
obstetrician. There are three major problems with this approach.
- The difficulty or problems in performing the epidural have absolutely
no relationship with the delivery process.
- There is, at best, only a tenuous link between the time of delivery
and the time of performance of the epidural, which may very well be at
rather unsociable hours.
- We will then solve the problem of what to charge if the patient
subsequently delivers by LSCS. There is absolutely no reason to be paid
the equivalent of a major consultation if the patient has an LSCS. An
epidural was performed on the patient and that is what the patient
should pay for, not anything else.
We therefore propose a new code for epidurals for patients in labour. This
code should be treated as an independent procedure and hence should not be
linked with the obstetrician's charges in any way.
- Anaesthesia and Sedation for Radiological
Procedures
There is often no corresponding operator's fee by which the anaesthetic fee
can be based on. Hence, we propose that two new codes be introduced.
- There should be a base fee to account for preoperative assessment,
induction, reversal and recovery, and
- An additional fee based on the duration of the anaesthetic.
The same codes could then be used for any procedures (not just radiological)
where there is no corresponding operator's fee.
- Pain Service Procedures
As this is a relatively new field in Subang Jaya Medical Centre (SJMC), many
of the procedures are not covered. Some examples are,
- Epidural/spinal catheter with,
- Tunnelling and external port,
- Implanted port, e.g. Porta-a-cath, or
- Reservoir devices,
- Subcutaneous local anaesthetic and/or steroid injections for pain, and
- Low Power Laser therapy to painful areas by medical practitioner.
- Introduction of Minimum Anaesthetic
Professional Fee
Last but not least, is the introduction of a minimum anaesthetic professional
fee. This is deemed necessary by us because there are several procedures where
the anaesthetic professional fee is unreasonably low. Examples would include,
but are not exclusive to,
- Tarsal Cyst, Extirpation of (6754),
- Postpartum Haemorrhage Requiring Special Procedure (374), and
- Circumcision of Person Under 4 Weeks of Age (4319).
While the anaesthetic risks in these cases are no less than in other cases,
they are often in fact of higher risk anaesthetically. Taking the three
examples mentioned above,
- Extirpation of tarsal cyst is generally done in the outpatient clinic
unless it is a child who is too young to fully co-operate with the
surgeon. Being a paediatric case, it is obviously anaesthetically more
difficult.
- Code 374 is basically used for Manual Removal of Placenta in patients
with postpartum haemorrhage. While procedurally very simple,
anaesthetically, the case could be very challenging and prove to be a very
high-risk case. Patients may have a full stomach and some may be
cardiovascularly collapsed from massive haemorrhage.
- The last example involves an anaesthetic for a patient under 4 weeks of
age, not a case I would relish under any circumstances. The margin of
safety is extremely thin in these cases and leaves no room for errors.
The Malaysian Medical Association Schedule
of Fees also recommends a minimum anaesthetic fee that holds true
regardless of the surgical fee. We strongly feel that this would be a more
equitable fee structure as there are certain anaesthetic procedures that need
to be done for each anaesthetic however simple the surgical procedure may be.
We, therefore, strongly propose a minimum anaesthetic fee that would be
imposed whenever the total anaesthetic fee, when calculated as a percentage of
the surgical fee, is less than this minimum anaesthetic fee. In order to
account for the fact that the surgeon may charge different Code Classes (i.e.
A, B, C, D, E or F), the minimum anaesthetic fee could be linked to the
highest Code Class used by the surgeon for that case. Such a system would also
allow the Billing Discount Schemes to be accommodated.
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Dr. Bachan Singh |
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Dr. Charlie Chan |
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Dr. Dalina |
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Dr. Robert Liew |
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Dr. Ngun Kok Wah |
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Dr. Radhakrishnan |
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Dr. Mary Samuel |
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Dr. Tan Poh Hwa |
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Dr. Anne Wong |
Proposal
First read my proposal, then go to the GASBoard, and make whatever comments you
want to make.
You may have other ideas to add or you may have a different opinion of what
changes are needed.
I will then try to incorporate the views of all of you or we will make a vote
first on those matters where there are divergent views.
Comments From GASBoard
Support Minimum Anaesthetic Fee and Radiological Fee
From: gasline
Date: Feb 5 1999
The main sticking point amongst the more senior members appear to be my proposal
for a minimum anaesthetic fee. I feel quite strongly that we should press for
this as it is
both logical and fair to have such a scheme.
Many other hospitals have something similar including the Kuantan Specialist
Hospital. Their minimum is about RM 200 although the exact figure is variable
from
patient to patient.
The MMA Fee Schedule also suggests this
scheme. In the latest edition (Third
Edition), on page 29, the minimum anaesthetic fee is RM 210 regardless of the
surgical fee and even for the more complex porcedures, the anaesthetic fee
varies
from about 35.4 % to 62.6 %.
As you can see, our 35 % is nothing to shout about. Even Assunta used to give 40
%
to anaesthetists a few years ago, although the figure may be different now.
Furthermore, they could also charge for the preanaesthetic consultation (I can't
remember for sure, but I think it was about RM 35 to RM 50).
Pertaining to the charge for radiological procedures, the scheme suggested is
the best
I could think of. It is admittedly rather complicated and if any of you can come
up
with a simpler and still equitable system, that would be great.
CDM review
From: gasbach
Date: Feb 6 1999
EPIDURALS
My suggestions
1.A fixed epidural fee,but with the usual A to D scales ie eg Rm350 at A and
correspondingly less for B,C,D.Thus broadly,it follows the present costs,to
placate
some quarters worried about we overcharging.
But we have the liberty to account for our difficulties.if LSCS occurs,nothing
to do
with epidural charge.
2.Radiology
Similar principle to above.Scale for A at RM500.
(some procedures scary,adgust downwards if piece of cake)
3.Pain procedures;as I understand most of these are listed in the `Australian
Book`
which the hospital is following.Except for the few listed in the newsletter.
4minimum fees;agreed;but how do we go about diplomatically.
suggest;point out unrealistic examples(as listed),an emergency consult is
already
RM130,minimum time involved for care is 1 hour( preop assessement,anaesthetic
time,recovery care),Singapore practice-minimum S$150(2 yrs ago)
5 Unrelated matter:when surgeon goes in second time usually he feels guilty a
bit and
may not feel like charging a proper ammount.The second anaesthetist is
penalised.Any suggestions?
6 Generally I agree with the rest of the suggestions
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